tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post2163747382997558443..comments2023-11-02T09:01:30.794-05:00Comments on Polumeros kai Polutropos: Hebrews Carnival July 2009Brian Smallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14209118115977821617noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-86906363386200003992009-08-01T15:33:52.048-05:002009-08-01T15:33:52.048-05:00He's at Barnard College for undergraduate teac...He's at Barnard College for undergraduate teaching and Columbia for graduate teaching and advising.Jared Calawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380681998833566514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-17254237921014007752009-08-01T14:59:19.190-05:002009-08-01T14:59:19.190-05:00Is he really? Fascinating! I didn't realize ...Is he really? Fascinating! I didn't realize he was teaching at Columbia. His book on "Rebecca's Children" is required reading for prelims for NT folk at Baylor.Brian Smallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209118115977821617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-84256818534065140152009-08-01T14:14:22.719-05:002009-08-01T14:14:22.719-05:00I had thought of some of those expressions as well...I had thought of some of those expressions as well, although I usually associate "forked tongue" with serpentine cunning (coming from the actual shape of a snake's tongue). <br /><br />I am well within the "Rebecca's Children" trend--Segal is my academic advisor.Jared Calawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380681998833566514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-14075363869071229042009-08-01T13:14:43.350-05:002009-08-01T13:14:43.350-05:00I think the trend--with the works of Boccachini, S...I think the trend--with the works of Boccachini, Segal, Boyarin, etc.--is to see Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism as the two most successful strands of Judaism that emerged out of the crisis of the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. As such I think it is better to view both movements as supersessionistic.<br /><br />It would be interesting to track down the metaphor of the sword/mouth relationship. I am also thinking of some of our modern expressions. "The pen is mightier than the sword": one's words, even when written, can be more pointed or sharper than an instrument of war. Or one can have a "forked tongue."Brian Smallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209118115977821617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-50612071974389325212009-08-01T11:17:01.836-05:002009-08-01T11:17:01.836-05:00Thanks for posting this!
I tend to agree on the s...Thanks for posting this!<br /><br />I tend to agree on the supersessionism and that ALL Jewish groups developed some sort of supersessionism at this time. In fact, they had to do so. I think that Jonathan Klawans' book, "Purity, Sacrifice, and the Temple" addresses Jewish and Christian supersessionism of the Jerusalem cult probably the best of what's out there now.<br /><br />I agree that the mouth-bearing-sword of Revelation is closer (although it omits the "word"), since it is an immediate slaying. It seems that sharp swords and mouths/words are fairly common imagery circulating at the time, ready for anyone to grab. I do wonder, more generally, why the sword is so strongly related to the mouth/word at all. Where does this relationship come from?Jared Calawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09380681998833566514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-86166707314971280002009-08-01T10:54:29.674-05:002009-08-01T10:54:29.674-05:00I think you are right; the correlation with Revela...I think you are right; the correlation with Revelation is much closer.Brian Smallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14209118115977821617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7584492698366396071.post-35694409683540360112009-08-01T09:25:17.405-05:002009-08-01T09:25:17.405-05:00Thanks very much Brian for posting this. It helps ...Thanks very much Brian for posting this. It helps me to keep up my reading on this favourite Epistle of mine. On 1 Enoch 62:2 as you highlighted, it may relate somewhat to Rev 19:15, "out of his mouth comes a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations...", though there is no certainty that the sword imagery refers to the Word (cf. Rev 19:13).Tony Siew https://www.blogger.com/profile/06818800014596113897noreply@blogger.com